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Originally Posted by Agilius
Oh guys I wasn't trying to start a mess here, it's just that I've tried the pen and paper stuff and it didn't work out to well and that made my motivation go away and none of my friends liked the final outcome, so I never tried that again. Illustrator is not my best friend that's all.
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I'm gonna be brutal with you then, either you make it your friend, or you should concidering doing else than logos (which of course isn't necissarily a bad thing). One thing is making a logo in photoshop for a contest, but you could never give that logo away to a company. And you know, there's that thing about form and function
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I wasn't saying that with something bad in mind, it just takes a lot of time for me, I'm not good with illustrator. The pen tool from Il is different from the one from PS so it's a bit confusing, confusion costs time and contest are for applying skills not learning them.
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I respectfully disagree, the best way of learning design is, designing. When designing for a real client you will have more restrictions than in a contest, so why not challenge yourself? Do something you've never done before. If it doesn't work then it doesn't, and you will probably come out of it a better designer.