The camera isnt everything.

filmmaker3000 · 07-06-2008, 09:00 PM

I actually am quite concerned about cameras these days.

From a kid who hardly has any money, just turning 18 and is going to college in a year's persective, $700 puts a huge hole in my pocket. But for what?

These new cameras, D60, Digital Rebels, etc, etc, etc...are only making the world of photography more frustrating. They are making them EASIER for beginners to use, and honestly that only makes it harder for ME to use.

Companies, are actually charging us EXTRA for manual shooting. This makes no sense. Wouldn't it be the thing that makes it easier (auto) be more expensive? It pisses me off how i cant even find a camera with manual focus under 300 bucks. It's just insanely annoying and i'm sick of it.

The new cameras produce OKAY images, there is still grain, and if you know how to use it you can make AMAZING photographs. But it IS possible to make amazing photos with the smaller, cheaper cameras. Honestly one can make great quality photos, maybe not for print of poster size, or huge prints, but for the web, online portfolios, etc.

I just dont understand why they are over pricing everything. I want just want a simple camera with at LEAST manual focus, and i gotta pay 600 bucks? thats bs, and its completely not fair at all.

haha so yeah, can't believe i wrote all this, but, i havent seen a good camera that is in the price range of a poorer person from downtown Philly who risks getting hit in the head by a bullet when he walks out the door.

Justin · 07-07-2008, 07:17 PM

Filmmaker3000,

First, well the obvious, you will only ‘dent’ your pocket if you spend $700+ on a camera.

I am completely baffled by your statement about companies like Canon/Nikon/ect. And how they are making cameras harder for you to use? The camera's you listed both have manual and auto functions, making it a great product for all around users.

"Companies, are actually charging us EXTRA for manual shooting”

If you look from it from a logical point of view, consumers are generally stupid; therefore you have people shopping by price, product numbers, and so on and so forth. So flooding the market with more options will only leave the ideal consumer more baffled on what to get. Most camera companies try to make an all around cameras to accommodate a great deal of customers and increase demand to cut production costs. Most professionals along with amateurs prefer to have both options for the point of convince. If they don’t use the option it doesn’t matter.

“The new cameras produce OKAY images, there is still grain”

Digital & Film, both have grain. The amounts do vary though. Wouldn’t a solution to grain be to shoot at a lower iso w/ more light? It also depends on the sensor as well, some cameras are junk and just play up the mp.

“But it IS possible to make amazing photos with the smaller, cheaper cameras.”

Yes, it is possible, although you limit yourself when it comes down to printing. Which it’s not easy to go back and reshoot a shot you like, to enlarge later down the line.

“I just dont understand why they are over pricing everything. I want just want a simple camera with at LEAST manual focus, and i gotta pay 600 bucks? thats bs, and its completely not fair at all.”

If they are overpricing it, why don’t you look at a leaf or a phaseone digitalback. They aren’t going to lower their prices just for you, sorry. If you didn’t know, manual focus on those digital cameras is terrible. Even Zeiss recommends their lens to be mounted on selected models and even possibly replace the focusing screen. Read: http://www.zeiss.com/photo

My advice, would be to find an older, camera, like the d70 and buy it used because the camera market deprecates fast with the constant flow of technology. You will also be investing a great deal of money in good glass for your camera as well. You might want to look at some manual point and shoots as well.

Good site to look at cameras,
dpreview.com

filmmaker3000 · 07-08-2008, 03:51 PM

why thank you for repsonding, you bring up a lot of good points i will look into, you are very correct, and i respect that. thank you!

And as i said they are making it harder, they are just making it difficult

designhide · 07-08-2008, 09:49 PM

hmm, i suggest checking out used cameras on ebay. if you are seriously into photography then don't waste your time with a silly little point and shoot. get a decent used camera (you can pick up a used canon rebel, a great budget camera, for cheap $$), and over time invest in better glass.

i was in the same position at age 18, and now not too many years later i have a nice little kit going.

shant93 · 07-15-2008, 05:55 AM

Reasons why it's all so expensive:

The camera lenses are made out of optical glass which in Canada costs about 50$/pound. In addition, the optical glass has to be hand carve and machine carved and microscope checked to perfection. Their margin of error is a few nanometers.

+ the companies sell for more than it's the actually worth
+ The middle men always increase the price

Why its always grainy:

Digital cameras convert the light into digital signal which make up pixels of Red, Green and Blue. Non-digital have photosensitive cells (pixels)of Red Green and Blue which modify the outcome on the film.

filmmaker3000 · 07-15-2008, 12:01 PM

ohh. i see. thanks for explaining!

07-06-2008, 09:00 PM	#1
filmmaker3000 [graphics designer] Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: pa, USA Posts: 24	The camera isnt everything. I actually am quite concerned about cameras these days. From a kid who hardly has any money, just turning 18 and is going to college in a year's persective, $700 puts a huge hole in my pocket. But for what? These new cameras, D60, Digital Rebels, etc, etc, etc...are only making the world of photography more frustrating. They are making them EASIER for beginners to use, and honestly that only makes it harder for ME to use. Companies, are actually charging us EXTRA for manual shooting. This makes no sense. Wouldn't it be the thing that makes it easier (auto) be more expensive? It pisses me off how i cant even find a camera with manual focus under 300 bucks. It's just insanely annoying and i'm sick of it. The new cameras produce OKAY images, there is still grain, and if you know how to use it you can make AMAZING photographs. But it IS possible to make amazing photos with the smaller, cheaper cameras. Honestly one can make great quality photos, maybe not for print of poster size, or huge prints, but for the web, online portfolios, etc. I just dont understand why they are over pricing everything. I want just want a simple camera with at LEAST manual focus, and i gotta pay 600 bucks? thats bs, and its completely not fair at all. haha so yeah, can't believe i wrote all this, but, i havent seen a good camera that is in the price range of a poorer person from downtown Philly who risks getting hit in the head by a bullet when he walks out the door. __________________ dinosaysrawr.deviantart.com anovpro.com/anovfilms http://flickr.com/photos/28366194@N08/

07-08-2008, 03:51 PM	#3
filmmaker3000 [graphics designer] Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: pa, USA Posts: 24	why thank you for repsonding, you bring up a lot of good points i will look into, you are very correct, and i respect that. thank you! And as i said they are making it harder, they are just making it difficult __________________ dinosaysrawr.deviantart.com anovpro.com/anovfilms http://flickr.com/photos/28366194@N08/

07-08-2008, 09:49 PM	#4
designhide Intern Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 18	hmm, i suggest checking out used cameras on ebay. if you are seriously into photography then don't waste your time with a silly little point and shoot. get a decent used camera (you can pick up a used canon rebel, a great budget camera, for cheap $$), and over time invest in better glass. i was in the same position at age 18, and now not too many years later i have a nice little kit going. __________________ DesignHide Profile \|\|\| Projects \|\|\| Photos

07-15-2008, 05:55 AM	#5
shant93 Amateur graphic designer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 26	Reasons why it's all so expensive: The camera lenses are made out of optical glass which in Canada costs about 50$/pound. In addition, the optical glass has to be hand carve and machine carved and microscope checked to perfection. Their margin of error is a few nanometers. + the companies sell for more than it's the actually worth + The middle men always increase the price Why its always grainy: Digital cameras convert the light into digital signal which make up pixels of Red, Green and Blue. Non-digital have photosensitive cells (pixels)of Red Green and Blue which modify the outcome on the film. Last edited by shant93 : 07-15-2008 at 05:57 AM.

07-15-2008, 12:01 PM	#6
filmmaker3000 [graphics designer] Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: pa, USA Posts: 24	ohh. i see. thanks for explaining! __________________ dinosaysrawr.deviantart.com anovpro.com/anovfilms http://flickr.com/photos/28366194@N08/


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07-07-2008, 07:17 PM	#2
Justin Designer Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 31	Filmmaker3000, First, well the obvious, you will only ‘dent’ your pocket if you spend $700+ on a camera. I am completely baffled by your statement about companies like Canon/Nikon/ect. And how they are making cameras harder for you to use? The camera's you listed both have manual and auto functions, making it a great product for all around users. "Companies, are actually charging us EXTRA for manual shooting” If you look from it from a logical point of view, consumers are generally stupid; therefore you have people shopping by price, product numbers, and so on and so forth. So flooding the market with more options will only leave the ideal consumer more baffled on what to get. Most camera companies try to make an all around cameras to accommodate a great deal of customers and increase demand to cut production costs. Most professionals along with amateurs prefer to have both options for the point of convince. If they don’t use the option it doesn’t matter. “The new cameras produce OKAY images, there is still grain” Digital & Film, both have grain. The amounts do vary though. Wouldn’t a solution to grain be to shoot at a lower iso w/ more light? It also depends on the sensor as well, some cameras are junk and just play up the mp. “But it IS possible to make amazing photos with the smaller, cheaper cameras.” Yes, it is possible, although you limit yourself when it comes down to printing. Which it’s not easy to go back and reshoot a shot you like, to enlarge later down the line. “I just dont understand why they are over pricing everything. I want just want a simple camera with at LEAST manual focus, and i gotta pay 600 bucks? thats bs, and its completely not fair at all.” If they are overpricing it, why don’t you look at a leaf or a phaseone digitalback. They aren’t going to lower their prices just for you, sorry. If you didn’t know, manual focus on those digital cameras is terrible. Even Zeiss recommends their lens to be mounted on selected models and even possibly replace the focusing screen. Read: http://www.zeiss.com/photo My advice, would be to find an older, camera, like the d70 and buy it used because the camera market deprecates fast with the constant flow of technology. You will also be investing a great deal of money in good glass for your camera as well. You might want to look at some manual point and shoots as well. Good site to look at cameras, dpreview.com

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